180 or 190

[Posh Johnny]

I do believe I have not seen a tyre thread on here yet, there is a first for everything though

Do you run a 180 or 190, what size is the rim on a factory, does it make a difference to the handling

[rsvchris]

Hi,

I am running a 190 pirelli diablo corsa III on my Y2k Mille, I find that it gives it more stability. However it still turns quick as I've got a set of BST Carbon wheels on it.

Not sure on the rim size I guess the factory Oz wheels are exactly the same as the Oz wheels fitted to the earlier RSVR's so I am guessing at 6", not sure without double checking.

Chris

[carbon kid]

I agre with Chris, if you have light wheels the 190 is great, someprefer the 180 for quicker turn in..and they are easier to scrub to the edges. I have a 180 corsa 111 at the mo and couldnt reallt feel a much quicker turn in so its back to a 190 v shortly.

[MASHMAN]

I'm running a 190 and have way too many rings showing at the front and find that, when the suspension is working properly, there's plenty of a quick enough turn in for me not to want a 180 rear. Plus i suppose the 190 gives you that slightly larger contact patch. On the other Prila forum there were a few guys raving about the 190/55 after riding with 180's. Best of both worlds I guess

[crashtd]

i like the 190...that extra width makes me feel good when i'm railing it like a school girl :)

-:banana

[carbon kid]

i like the 190...that extra width makes me feel good when i'm railing it like a school girl :)

-:banana


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[sqrly]

Dunlop Qualifier 120/70 front, 180/55 rear, on my 00.5 rsv. I love the grip, hate the mileage(4000 to wear marks).

[carbon kid]

4000 is good, corsa 111's are shagged in about 3.2K!!

[sqrly]

I could stretch 8000 on my 208's

[carbon kid]

thats cos they're made of bakelite !

[Mizarc]

Currently I have the Pirelli Stradas in 180/55. Good mileage tire, and great wet traction, good all around tire. I have been doin alot of two ridin and this tire is great for that. But my fun tires for my own pleasure are 190/50 Pirelli corsa III sittin in the garage wanting to be back on the bike.

[BikePilot]

180/55 on a 5.5" rim made my TL feel so much lighter and more nimble with no downside that I could find (and I've been trying for 55k miles). Stock was a 190/50 on a 6" rim.

[The_Sav]

I'm running a 190 Michelin pilot race 2ct rear. I've always used them as they give great grip and decent mileage. As for the 180 vs 190 I've never tried it. Many people swear that a 180 rear will make your bike turn in alot easier. Its hard to imagine 10mm making so much difference.

[BikePilot]

I think it has more to do with the profile than the width actually 180's at least a few years ago typically had a much more pointy profile while 190's were more flat. A pointy 190 would handle about as well as a 180 I think.

[crashtd]

i think that would depend on the rim, wouldn't it? :O

-:banana

[BikePilot]

To some extent, but assuming the rim is a proper width for the tire the profile is controlled by the design of the tire carcass itself. Even mounting a 180/55 on a 6" rim will usually give a pointer profile than a 190/50 on the same rim. Mounting on a 5.5" rim is better yet:)

[knotty]

i'm running a 180/55/17 rear and i love it but my tires are shitty !!! lol i have a set of d207 sportmax soon will have a set of pirelli diablo corsa III and i think i will stay with the 180 rear

[VR-8]

I have had the Pirelli SuperCorsa PRO sc0 and sc1 in front since a bought the bike.(120/70) In rear I have tried Pirelli SuperCorsa sc2 in 180/55 and 190/55. The 190/55 is in my liking better, because it raises the rear by a few mm's and have more grip on the sides than the 180/55......not much but a little. I even tried the Dunlop KR108 in 195/70 just to see if the increased height could be an advance. It wasn't, the compound didn't agree with my bike and I didn't go that route.

At this moment I'm very pleased with my Pirellis and don't really care about the milage, I use 1 front and 2 rear per season and that is no problem. Maybe the tire account will go up when the trackdays gets more but I don't see any reason in changing from a tyre I like to try something new and do everything all over again.

/J

[froggie]

I rode to Magello a few weeks ago with some great guys, about 2,000 miles in total, about 1200 of which it fucking rained AAAAAGGGGHHH!
I have to say it is daunting at first, but by the end of it, rain - what fucking rain. 120mph through the swiss alps in torrential rain, it was a blast.
So now to my point, in all the riding the only arse clenching bit was going over a bit of overbanding (cheap bastards), I thought I had a bloody nail in my tyre. I am running the old diablo corsa - 180 profile. Other than that moment no problems, now back to Blighty and our crap roads. Last week on a 100 mile ride in the rain I locked the back up about 10 times whilst decelerating and then I was overtaking at just over a ton with the throttle open in 3rd and the back wheel lost traction and spun up, bit of a wag and then grip again. The problem here is that the tyre is obviously great but there are so many different people laying our roads with so much shit, one minute you can have aple grip and the next bugger all!!
Sorry for the fucking essay!!

[little1uk]

Just changed from 190 Metzler sportec M1 to a 180 Metzler sportec M1, it definetly sharpens it up on cornering so reckon ill stay with a 180 in the future :devious:thumbup

[daveC]

I'm running a 180 Diablo at the moment (it came with it on).

I hate it. :yes I am used to Supercorsa/Racetec 190/55 so it will be getting changed pronto.

[Spike]

Running 190 Diablo Corsa new set on the bike when I bought it, seems fine to me used 180's on the rear of my TLS to quicken the steering :confused but the Factory turns in quicker than that ever did even with a 190 on it :thumbup so I will keep an eye out to see what all the rest are doing seems a bit even stevens at the mo tho

[rs3 mille]

at the moment i am running 2ct's which are awsome probably best tyre i,ve run . tried alsorts mainly racetecs(best for summer but expensive) but found in winter would have some hairy moments because of the roads being cold.Dunlops not keen on ,tends to step out when least expecting it to. Running 190 rear at moment wont change to 180 yes they turn in quicker but alot of it is down to the rider you'll find you are no quicker.:biggrin

[jonboy1066]

Hi All
I am looking for some rearsets for 05 millie can any one help?
jonboy

[MY06RSVR]

I've just ordered myself a set of Diablo Corsa III's in 120/180 so I will report back soon with my findings!

[Funners]

:eatcorn 190 is just for willy waving.....

180 is where it's at.....:devious

[rs3 mille]

size of tyres doesn't even come into it........anyway i might wont to willy wave:woohoo

[VR-8]

I just hope that everyone is aware of the difference between a 190 and a 190...............

190/50 is for milage and 190/55 is for the twisties. As for the "180"........180/55 is the ONLY size to try for the RSV as the 190/55 is.......don't confuse them....

/J

[tdogg]

I just mounted a set of Qualifiers for a trip to Laguna. I went with 120/70-180/55 combo. I had a set of PP's with a 190 rear. I haven't been able to push the new rubber yet but I will this week! My initial thoughts were wow this feels good, but all new tires feel good on the first ride!

[rsvchris]

Willy Waving?? Wot the Fok does that mean?? :dunno
Guess I'll keep willy waving with a 190

[Hagasan]

120/70 front 180/55 rear Pirelli super corsa SC2 better handling for 2002 and cheaper than 190/55 3000 km max:O:biggrin

[millekid]

rsvchris , mate that comment had me in stiches cheers:thumbup

[cornhoolio]

190 Metzeler Rennsport, since Mr. Aprilia deemed this to be fit to adorne my pride and joy, I will stick with his choice :thumbup

[Funners]

190 Metzeler Rennsport, since Mr. Aprilia deemed this to be fit to adorne my pride and joy, I will stick with his choice :thumbup
Ahhh that explains it then....
Aprilia only fit the 180 to the FASTER bikes....like mine !:biggrin

[rs3 mille]

funners your aving a laugh mate.........:biggrin

[Funners]

funners your aving a laugh mate.........:biggrin Just cos everyone thinks yours is prettier than mine....:roll

:biggrin:biggrin:biggrin
Nah...all the factories come with a 180 as std....hence the 180 is fitted to faster bikes..especially Black ones !:eatcorn

[rsvr47]

Funners, just got off the phone to aprilia italy:exclamation..... They fitted 180 for those people that can not ride and need the stability............. Sorry what do you have fitted.....................he he he:eatcorn:eatcorn:thumbup

[Funners]

Funners, just got off the phone to aprilia italy:exclamation..... They fitted 180 for those people that can not ride and need the stability............. Sorry what do you have fitted.....................he he he:eatcorn:eatcorn:thumbup

:confused I think you have your numbers mixed....the 190 is more stable(for the novices) and the 180 turns quicker....(for the faster bikes)

HTH:thumbup

[rs3 mille]

funners do you really think the factory is faster than a normal rsvr because you have ohlins and lighter wheels mate you been misled buddy. don't be fooled by paintwork :eatcorn:eatcorn:thumbup

[rsvr47]

:confused I think you have your numbers mixed....the 190 is more stable(for the novices) and the 180 turns quicker....(for the faster bikes)

HTH:thumbup

after your quote i called him back and he was confused .he said you should try changing your dash from kph to mph :biggrinthats why your confused with it being the fastest.if its faster with a 180 i'm changing my rear to a 160 so i can go faster than you :eatcorn:eatcorn:biggrin

[cornhoolio]

Ahhh that explains it then....
Aprilia only fit the 180 to the FASTER bikes....like mine !:biggrin

Suppose you need all the help you can get :thumbup

[Funners]

funners do you really think the factory is faster than a normal rsvr because you have ohlins and lighter wheels mate you been misled buddy. don't be fooled by paintwork :eatcorn:eatcorn:thumbup

I assume you have heard of Humour ??? like "Black " ones being faster because they are black ?? Mmnnn ??????:thumbup


after your quote i called him back and he was confused .he said you should try changing your dash from kph to mph :biggrinthats why your confused with it being the fastest.if its faster with a 180 i'm changing my rear to a 160 so i can go faster than you :eatcorn:eatcorn:biggrin
Ahhhhhh I see....KPH thats where I'm going wrong !:devious

[VR-8]

My Factory IS faster because I have 170+rwbhp with my supercharger....and every bit of handling is just as it were before.....:biggrin

Did I say it's silver.......:thumbup

/J

[Funners]

My Factory IS faster because I have 170+rwbhp with my supercharger....and every bit of handling is just as it were before.....:biggrin

Did I say it's silver.......:thumbup

/J

cheating arab....:O

No doubt it was a black one...resprayed in softee silver...:nana:wheelie:grinning

[VR-8]

cheating arab....:O

No doubt it was a black one...resprayed in softee silver...:nana:wheelie:grinning

:loser

/J

[rsvr47]

VR-8 yes it might have but can you ride it, or is it just fast on the Dyno:puke:confused

[Funners]

VR-8 yes it might have but can you ride it, or is it just fast on the Dyno:puke:confused Now that....as they say....is a whole different can of worms....:devious

having the fastest bike...and being able to ride it fast are three different things...:eatcorn

[rsvr47]

Like they say 90% rider 10% bike, black or not:scared

[rs3 mille]

I assume you have heard of Humour ??? like "Black " ones being faster because they are black ?? Mmnnn ??????:thumbup


Ahhhhhh I see....KPH thats where I'm going wrong !:devious

funners : quality mate! bit of fun is what it is all about who cares we are all part of a minority group of bikers who have seen the light! and hats of to vr8 that must be some scary shit (supercharged:eek:) it is still down to riding ability in the end:thumbup

[rsvr47]

Hey all just thought (yes it hurts) my RSVR is ferrari red so that must be the fastest, unless someone has of course a canary yellow:puke which will obviously fly:devious:devious

[VR-8]

VR-8 yes it might have but can you ride it, or is it just fast on the Dyno:puke:confused

Let's say this........I still have to learn to not wind the throttle wide open on exits of turns as I used to do with my "stock" Aprilia........she goes sideways asap if you think she is "stock". "Highsider" will be your middle name........

Besides.......the feeling of going WOT and passing my friend on his 2006 R1 is just the thing you guys won't get as long as you are normal aspirated.........

/J

[rsvr47]

R1 breakfast springs to mind lol

[rs3 mille]

vr8 i have no problem destroying r1 or blades as me and rsvr47 did on saturday from the aprilia day but they are not standard...:thumbup

[VR-8]

vr8 i have no problem destroying r1 or blades as me and rsvr47 did on saturday from the aprilia day but they are not standard...:thumbup

Good for you ............but without the power you don't have a chance on a R1 or gixxer-like bike....that's it. This is the main reason Aprilia riders put thousends of $$ in their bike on EVO6,filters,cams,bigbore etc etc......and still it comes to the point when the inline4's have more power, that the way it is. A lap on a circuit is more than power, it also includes skills of the rider, but a WOT race on a straight road is just power......nothing else. Then if the riders are different in the twisties so be it, I still have the power to accelerate away from gixxers whenever I like.......

/J

[rsvr47]

:lol:lol:lolnow now boys lets not cat fight..... i have the fastest because mine is black and red both the fastest colours mixed.......... I have the power:nana:nana:woohoo

[rs3 mille]

:lol:lol:lolnow now boys lets not cat fight..... i have the fastest because mine is black and red both the fastest colours mixed.......... I have the power:nana:nana:woohoo

red/black a mixture of fast and slow:confused

[VR-8]

rs3 mille: If you read my post carefully you should have noticed the argument of a lap on a circuit "A lap on a circuit is more than power, it also includes skills of the rider" but the next thing I wrote was but a WOT race on a straight road is just power......nothing else".

You seem to agree with me on that so what is the problem, even though you think it takes a zx14 or a busa to kill the mille.....:roll

And the 30hp diff with the 999F07 compared to the japs......look it up. The main reason Ducati wants 1200cc is that the level of performance out of the 999 engine is so high that the costs of rebuilding them is taking too much money. The v-twin engines in the current series have almost no regulations on tuning compared to the inline fours. That is the reason the Ducatis can still be competetive, not a magic v-twin powergrunt that is 30hp less......

/J

[rsvr47]

No i was on the phone again to Italy:biggrin and Ferrari red and jet Black are the ideal mixture for a fast as Fu*% bike....... That includes in and out of corners for those Jap:jack:jack:loser

[rs3 mille]

mate i think i need to apologize .read it the wrong way..i know about the ducatis £30,000 engine mods to be competetive and rebuild everytime they race. they also wanted the change as the road goin 999 is not competetive as a gsxr for the road so they didn't sell many thats there main reason for 1200cc so they can mass produce a road bike that can stay with the japs without the expense . please except my apology for me being blind:thumbup

[advocatt]

i am happy n comfortable using 180 on my bike..:biggrin

[millekid]

No i was on the phone again to Italy:biggrin and Ferrari red and jet Black are the ideal mixture for a fast as Fu*% bike....... That includes in and out of corners for those Jap:jack:jack:loser

what about blue and fluro yellow ? :confused

[VR-8]

Well well well..............going back to tyres....:cheers

I think that the question is 50 or 55 profile more than 180 or 190 width. The 55 profile offers more grip on the sides, both 180 and 190, and more flickable than the 50 profile. Do you want more milage get the 190/50, do you want less milage and more rubber down when cornering go with 180-190/55.

/J

[rsvr47]

VR-8 i am happy talking about anything rather than tyres i am one of those that knows nothing and just rides until it needs to see the doctors.

Red and Black the way ahead:eatcorn:thumbup

[advocatt]

heard rumors that orange and white add anor 10hp to your bike (each color add 5hp)

so, no doubt this is the fastest aprilias..:devious

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h167/advospeedzilla/IMG_2542.jpg

and if you put this smilies on it, it surely go even fasters..
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h167/advospeedzilla/nhtml1c9100b69jh0bykd1.gif

[millekid]

heard rumors that orange and white add anor 10hp to your bike (each color add 5hp)

so, no doubt this is the fastest aprilias..:devious

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h167/advospeedzilla/IMG_2542.jpg

and if you put this smilies on it, it surely go even fasters..
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h167/advospeedzilla/nhtml1c9100b69jh0bykd1.gif


my dads got a white one so you and my dad must be fast :biggrin

[rsvr47]

It might be once those stabalisers are taken off:lol:lol:lol:tillis

[rs3 mille]

It might be once those stabalisers are taken off:lol:lol:lol:tillis

gaz you:loser

[Racer X]

VR-8

I am just wondering what went wrong with your bike. You are only getting between 30-40 more hp over stock. That doesn't seem like much of a gain for a built forced induction engine. Looks like the old two valve Ducati 900 makes more power http://www.turbomonster.com/WaynePatterson-900ss.tpl .
Sounds like you are doing what ever you can to try and beat the 1000cc inline bike in a straight line race as long as they have a stock bike and are not good riders. I would recommend not racing and built 1000cc inline let alone one that has forced induction.

[Racer X]

The newer profile 190 tires have no problem of turning in or holding lines. All of the top AMA teams or running on tires that are 190+ some over 200

[VR-8]

VR-8

I am just wondering what went wrong with your bike. You are only getting between 30-40 more hp over stock. That doesn't seem like much of a gain for a built forced induction engine. Looks like the old two valve Ducati 900 makes more power http://www.turbomonster.com/WaynePatterson-900ss.tpl .
Sounds like you are doing what ever you can to try and beat the 1000cc inline bike in a straight line race as long as they have a stock bike and are not good riders. I would recommend not racing and built 1000cc inline let alone one that has forced induction.

There are a number of factors that come in to play with my "only 30-40hp gain"........If I reduce them to three they are:
1. My engine does not have an intercooler due to space, so the boost is low to be safe from detonation.
2. I have tried to get hold of an ignition retarder but no succes, therefore low boost.
3. Lifespan and reliablity is more important to gaining more power.

To the "sounds" you are talking about it's very easy........the RSV has the absolute best chassi, IMO, and the only thing missing is power. The inline4s has the power but the chassis is no way near the RSV. Conclusion......it's easier to increase engine power than weld a new chassi.

/J

[Badger]

Jeez man, y'all got a weird sense of humor you Brit's, i have no idea what kind of shit y'all on!!

[Posh Johnny]

Nice Avatar Badgy poos, is that you over the mountain :hail

[Badger]

Nice Avatar Badgy poos, is that you over the mountain :hail
Tiz that PJ, another couple

right hander just before going over the mountain
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/smokinrsvr/this%20n%20that/cadwell.jpg

and Barn not long after the mountain
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/smokinrsvr/this%20n%20that/INT_2034.jpg

[Posh Johnny]

Cadwell is my favourite track, I know the bends well. I find Barn a bit scary, off camber needing a full throttle for the straight.
As for the mountain a very respectable amount of air :hail

[Funners]

Tiz that PJ, another couple

right hander just before going over the mountain
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/smokinrsvr/this%20n%20that/cadwell.jpg

and Barn not long after the mountain
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/smokinrsvr/this%20n%20that/INT_2034.jpg


Cadwell is my favourite track, I know the bends well. I find Barn a bit scary, off camber needing a full throttle for the straight.
As for the mountain a very respectable amount of air :hail what he's not telling you is thats NOT him riding his bike....:biggrin:eatcorn

[rs3 mille]

what do you mean funners me old mate:eatcorn:eatcorn:confused

[Badger]

what he's not telling you is thats NOT him riding his bike....:biggrin:eatcorn


There's that damn Brit sense of humor again:confused:thumbup

[Funners]

what do you mean funners me old mate:eatcorn:eatcorn:confused He hires a stunt dwarf to get the photo pics....:biggrin


There's that damn Brit sense of humor again:confused:thumbup

Err...Last time I looked....Scotchland was still part of "Britain ":devious

[Badger]

He hires a stunt dwarf to get the photo pics....:biggrin



Err...Last time I looked....Scotchland was still part of "Britain ":devious

Aye, the stunt dwarf, what a laugh when he has to come to a standstill, fall's over every time, how we laugh:cuckcoo

whooooosh, the last one ................right over the top of yer big napper, or is it my Jock sense of humour is to far advanced for ya:biggrin

[rsvr47]

Badger i have had my photo taken on the bike, can you give me some tips on how to self impose it like you have with yours then i can make it look like i can get mine off the deck as well...:lol:lol

[Badger]

Not super imposed at all mate, it's just a wee bit o air i put under the back wheel:D

Or could it have been my stunted double:dunno

Make sure if you are gonna try it to get plenty of weight over the back wheel:thumbup



































On second thoughts.................forget that bit:scared

[rsvr47]

What You Mean You Put Air In The Wheels And That Is What Happens...........got To Try That............any Tips On How To Put It In..............

[Badger]

Ye eat a great big bowl o porridge and then get yer bagpipes oot, ye huff and ye puff till they are near burstin, then ye quickly apply the moothpiece tae the tyre valve and let it go till ye hear yer tyre squealing like a wee squealy thing, pop yer dust cap oan quickly before the squeal escapes and get yersel over thon mountain as quick as ye can tak yersel. If thon disnae work, ye tak a good two or three measures o Bruichladdich's finest 12 year old malt and hae anither go:thumbup

Let me ken hoo ye git oan:biggrin

[rsvr47]

When are bag pipes in season and do i have to shoot them, or catch them alive...

[Badger]

Nah man, yer gettin confudled, thon's haggis yer talkin oboot, de ye no ken ocht doon there:thumbup

[bad boy]

Just cos everyone thinks yours is prettier than mine....:roll

:biggrin:biggrin:biggrin
Nah...all the factories come with a 180 as std....hence the 180 is fitted to faster bikes..especially Black ones !:eatcorn

Hello mate,hav'nt you heard,silver factorys are better than black ones,black ones are for girlies :thumbup 190 better rider,laters

[fin997]

hey how the super charger working out for you where u get the bits or kit is interesting my 02mille fairly standard just can filter bit of ecu fiddling what u reading at the wheel? had a blade giving 170 at the wheel was shit quick with modded gearing the mille quick could be better tho what yours like for everyday pottering around mate has a turbo charged zx12 it horrible to drive unless on a mission............

[MonkeyDog]

Performance bikes has a big article on RSV's this month..
they say
If you only do 1 thing to your RSV... fit a 180 rear tyre

[fin997]

well, thanks for that will take a look, had a 180 on it put a 190 on to see if much or any difference slowed the turn in by a minimal difference but is only noticable when flicking left to right at speed

[sqrly]

180 ftw!!!

[cheesie]

Performance bikes has a big article on RSV's this month..
they say
If you only do 1 thing to your RSV... fit a 180 rear tyre

they also have an article about mikuni fcrs which of corse there is no such thing plus did you see thier guide for suspension set up

[fin997]

didnt get a chance to read it yet roll on weekend when get some peace anything of interest in PB

[V_senna]

180 for me, not tried a 190/55 yet, will do next time I order a set of tyres.

[barryrs]

I went from 190 to 180 recently and im happy with the change BUT the 190 was shot.

[manty]

Went from a 190 50 to a 190 55 on my 05 RSV. Massive improvement on turning. Didnt think it would fit mine for some reason but apparently its now standard sze on all the latest RSV models. Will definitly be keeping this size

[Drouin955]

Can anybody tell me where's that tire thread or is it tread? Anyway, I was debating between 180 vs 190 for a track day tire with the Pirelli guy at Calabogie this spring and upon serious consideration decided for a 180. The Superbikes run the 190, the 600 the 180, the superbikes have 185-190HP, the 600 are at 125-130 range. So the 180 was good enough for me as I did'nt want to loose the easy turn-in the bike already have,love.I did not regret my choice since the bike is even easier to flik than my racing SV in a chicane.

[frecheness]

i prefer the 180 if its a rounder tire (diablo corsa), but a 190 on a taller tire (Power Pilot)